Recording Help

[sharp1]

I would like to have certain shows but not all for sure, the set list doesn't vary enough. I've been to 4 shows and would love to have them although i doubt there are tapes of the 90/91 shows out there.
Some artists do let you tape but most times i've seen it on the ticket as a "standard" thing no cameras or recording devices but people always find a way if they want to. The internet has just made it easier to acquire the shows now.

[looking4OPH]

I've been to 4 shows and would love to have them although i doubt there are tapes of the 90/91 shows out there.

I've seen shows in people's libraries from these dates, plus a couple more from 1990 without a date specified. PM me if you are interested in the sources.

1990.01.01
1990.06.30
1990.12.12
1991.07.21
1991.07.27

[tigzoe]

I would like to have certain shows but not all for sure, the set list doesn't vary enough. I've been to 4 shows and would love to have them although i doubt there are tapes of the 90/91 shows out there.
Some artists do let you tape but most times i've seen it on the ticket as a "standard" thing no cameras or recording devices but people always find a way if they want to. The internet has just made it easier to acquire the shows now.

With the invention of camera phones, this rule has become pretty lax to only mean higher end cameras, not something that is the sames size as my cell phone.

[Tiki Torches]

I would like to have certain shows but not all for sure, the set list doesn't vary enough. I've been to 4 shows and would love to have them although i doubt there are tapes of the 90/91 shows out there.
Some artists do let you tape but most times i've seen it on the ticket as a "standard" thing no cameras or recording devices but people always find a way if they want to. The internet has just made it easier to acquire the shows now.

With the invention of camera phones, this rule has become pretty lax to only mean higher end cameras, not something that is the sames size as my cell phone.

That wasn't the case during the Black Crowes' appearance here last summer. Security shutdown anyone taking pictures/video, even if it was with their cellphones. Still, several videos from the show surfaced on YouTube. When I'm told not to video or take photos, I obey the rules out of respect for the artist/venue but not everyone shows that sort of respect. On the other hand, unless the concert is being filmed for release on DVD or something along those lines, I see no harm in taking photos or video. If clips are posted to YouTube it can only help to promote an artist. Some musicians (such as R.E.M. and Pearl Jam) see that viewpoint and strongly encourage it, others don't. Sometimes, particularly when it comes to the music industry, it's a case of don't criticize what you don't understand. If the RIAA had learned to embrace the digital medium when it was new rather than try to regulate it and shut it down, I think we all would have been better off.

[tigzoe]

That is part of what I will never understand, Tiki. With things like youtube and FB, we can promote the heck out of someone. it might turn someone new onto their music, you never know. What does it hurt to record your favorite song at a concert, regardless if you are going to post it on a website or keep it on your hard drive. I think I found 4 songs from last years show on youtube. Every once in a while I cue them up. isn't there a quote out there along the lines of "better to be seen than not seen at all?"

[kahuna01]

Some artists egos get in the way of good business sense.

I was once at a fair. Went to snap a photo of Hermans Hermits (oldies show) The security guy came running over and yelled at me to put the camera away.....The entire secition I was in starting laughing and taunting the security guy. I mean Hermans Hermits...who cares really. Just some wanna be guy playing the roll.

[Tiki Torches]

That is part of what I will never understand, Tiki. With things like youtube and FB, we can promote the heck out of someone. it might turn someone new onto their music, you never know.

R.E.M. has a new album due in March so myself and fellow fans have naturally been discussing Warner Brothers' marketing strategy. So far 5 songs have officially been released via the web, 3 of which are singles targeted towards specific areas of the globe. Along with this, several videos have also been released. In this day and age, marketing a record, any record is a tricky beast. How much importance does a single have anymore? I'm thinking the number of times a video is "shared" probably plays a more important role now, especially with the dominance of Facebook. Then, on the other hand you have Radiohead who just announced their new album will be released on Saturday. No promotional buildup other than the announcement that their new album will be available in 5-7 days. Somewhere in between is where the new business model for having your new record heard lies. With the downfall of record labels as we once knew them, it'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

[tigzoe]

Unfortunately, I think digital downloads killed the cd release. How many times did we buy a 45, only to find that the B-side was much better than the single. But you still got two songs. With itunes, you are one and done. Then you have people who rate each song. That could impact the whole album purchase for someone. If you are a diehard fan of someone, you are more apt to buy the whole album. Or are you...how many people waited on buying Buffett Buffet. I must admit, I hardly listen to the radio. I either am listening to RM or cd's that I have loaded on my computer. I listen to the radio and feel old. I think you hit the nail on the head with sharing videos. I have some people I actually know on FB, then I have a whole subculture of people that like the same music as me. If you posted a video and we were friends due to JB, I would give it a listen over someone that I know personally. Most of the people I know don't have the same taste in music as I do.

[Tiki Torches]

I've never downloaded anything from iTunes. I still buy CDs and on occasion, vinyl, especially when it comes with a download card. I enjoy b-sides too and thankfully there are artists out there that do too but they're in the minority. What I fear is that one day the popularity of mp3's will completely do away with the desire for uncompressed file formats. For years, compromises have been made in sound quality (first 8-tracks, then cassettes, now mp3's) so that music can be more portable. I have no problem with this, just so long as it doesn't infringe upon the availability of uncompressed files. Sadly, those of us that still desire that sort of quality are in the minority. The ones driving the market are casual music listeners who don't care about sound quality, so unfortunately the pleas of those of us that demand the very best quality are falling on deaf ears.

[tigzoe]

Unfortunately, I think we might already be a dying breed. There will be a time that no one knows what a record is. 8-track and cassettes were certainly the go to item to make music mobile. But yup, there goes the sound quality. Not only is the record superior with sound, but the second a tape gets eaten, it is destroyed. No better sound than opening up a new record and putting it on the turntable.